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stoter1 Member |
posted March 31, 2003 01:33 PM
 
I'm a bit confused. I thought the creator of WW was interested in shattering female stereotypes, but when I read the first three archives, all I saw were instances in whcih women were spanked or tied up. There were very strong sexual undertones. I'm confused as to why people consider these books examples of feminism. Women are stereotyped throughout crying and sobbing and giggling. Can anybody hlp? IP: Logged |
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Dr. Van Thorp Member |
posted March 31, 2003 03:40 PM
No, you are not the first person to notice the recuring spanking theme in early Wonder Woman comics. The creator, William Moulton Marston, was a supporter of woman's rights, and even leaned toward female supremicy, but he was also a bondage and sodomasochism fetishist. Dr. Marston lived with his wife, and their young female lover. The guy did not live a normal life. IP: Logged |
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Silver Age Adam Member |
posted March 31, 2003 04:03 PM
quote: The young female lover always wore thick bracelets, too. Possibly the inspiration for WW's bulletproof wardrobe. Did anybody else read Les Daniels' great book on Golden Age WW? That's a fascinating little book! It speaks in detail about Marston's whole spanking and bondage attitude. ------------------ I INVITE YOU TO SUPPORT OPERATION EMERALD STORM!! Send your extra comic books to the families of our troops fighting in the Persian Gulf!! Emerald Storm c/o IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted March 31, 2003 05:02 PM
quote: Or at least a very interesting one... IP: Logged |
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Stan Brown Member |
posted March 31, 2003 08:09 PM
And Marston's idea of "female supremacy" seemed to be based in an idea of women's submission to bondage. The idea, as the 1970s' WW TV show theme song had it, of overcoming hatred with love---but that meant being willing to submit. Their goodness and patience in suffering was the source of their power--so Wonder Woman had to wear her bracelets of submission to keep her power in check. This was presented as "power without self-control is dangerous," but also as feeling delight in being bound. Funny, though, that Frederick Wertham in Seduction of the Innocent seemed more worried about Wonder Woman as a lesbian symbol threatening to boys and also as an unfeminine, violent character for girls to identify with--and not as an obvious bondage fetishist. Or maybe there were limits to what he could present to the American public? IP: Logged |
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Lightning + Chemicals Member |
posted March 31, 2003 10:58 PM
I also admit that I was alternately shocked and bemused as I read through the Wonder Woman Archives 2 & 3 (don't have #1 yet). There is bondage imagery on every other page! And some of it is very weird. I had read some GA Wonder Woman in the 70's 100-page Super Spectaculars and I was politely underwhelmed -- but it didn't have the context of seeing these images repeated page after page, story after story. This really piques my interest in understanding what the heck was going on! What was Marston's story? Peter's story? What DC was thinking from an editorial viewpoint? Why Wonder Wonder was only one of three superheroes to publish continuously into the Silver Age -- was it sales? I don't think the stories are overwhelmingly strong.... I saw Silver Age Adam's touting of the Les Daniel book. Does anyone else have any good reference material, essays, books, websites, etc. that explores this truly weird GA Wonder Woman comics tableau? IP: Logged |
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OldGuy Member |
posted April 01, 2003 12:18 AM
quote: DC's contract with Marston calle dfor a reversion of the rights to him if they stopped publishing Wonder Woman. That's why the Legend of Wonder Woman miniseries was published between the end of the first volume and the Perez series IP: Logged |
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Aldous Member |
posted April 01, 2003 12:52 AM
The "normal life" is over-rated. Good on ol' Marston. A red-blooded male if ever I heard of one.
quote: Being spanked or tied up are female stereotypes?
quote: Oh my God!
quote: All the best women I know cry and giggle -- frequently and passionately. You poor yanks and your sexual hang-ups... I think Wonder Woman was wasted on you. IP: Logged |
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KryptoSuperDog Member |
posted April 01, 2003 01:34 AM
I never viewed her bracelets as a symbol of submission. To me, they were always used as a shield to "stop a bullet cold" as the theme song went. If they were meant as slave bracelets, they kind of defeat that purpose, because by their proper use, they make her less vulnerable, not more. Back on topic, even Diana likes a little smack on the ass now and then. IP: Logged |
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